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		<description><![CDATA[Once, Iran was the cradle of civilisation, but now it’s the cradle of war. The US/Israeli invasion could play out in multiple ways, some good, mostly bad. But the larger question is what war ultimately achieves in the modern era. Ever since the US war in Vietnam, aggressors large and small, democratic and authoritarian, have regretted their decision to opt for aggression. Barnes and Cohen discuss this, and the other issue of the moment, the budget aftermath. It's time to: ListenUp!This marks the final episode of Listen Up! on News24. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2026 17:17:00 +0200</pubDate>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 14:39:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOTE: We apologise for the poor audio quality in this edition. Should South Africans spend some time after graduation working for the government? Well-known businessman Mark Barnes thinks they should – in certain circumstances. Journalist Tim Cohen thinks they should not – in any circumstances. Also, is Patrice Motsepe a good candidate to be SA’s post-Ramaphosa president? Yes, no, maybe? This is your weekly nudge to: Listen Up! This show airs every Tuesday morning wherever you get your podcasts. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2026 18:05:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[South Africa’s economy might be moving forward, but the public sector is sliding into a kind of casual anarchy. Almost every robot in the country is now regarded as a suggestion, not an instruction. Is this fixable? How bad is anarchy? Corporate financier Mark Barnes and journalist Tim Cohen ask the crucial question: What is so wrong with anarchy, actually? And what about launching a set of public referenda on crucial national questions? And the markets and more. This show airs every Tuesday morning wherever you get your podcasts. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2026 21:22:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<title>SA’s golden opportunity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest question, when it comes to gold, is whether you say “all that glitters is not gold” or “all that glisters is not gold”. The formally accurate version from Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice is “glisters”, but what the bard meant was “glitters”, so that works too. Actually, that’s not the biggest question. In this episode, Barnes and Cohen discuss the much thornier issue of whether gold’s massive increase over the past few years will last, now that it has hit the $5 000 mark. And other things, like AI, chess, and sports betting. This show airs every Tuesday morning wherever you get your podcasts. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:04:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<title>It never rains but it pours</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Floods in the Kruger National Park but drought in the Karoo – weather problems abound. This week, the formidable duo that is Barnes and Cohen discusses the storms all over the world, including Greenland, which US President Donald Trump wants to, um, “buy”, but the Europeans are having nothing of it – so the USA will tariff them! 6-7 and ho hum. Locally, the prime rate debate is hotting up (but it’s ROA that counts), and markets are cooling down (as value metrics change). By all means, ListenUp! This show airs every Tuesday morning wherever you get your podcasts. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2026 17:51:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<title>The year that started off with a bang</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s been quite a start to 2026, but what does it mean that the US has abducted the leader of a foreign power? <br />
What happens to international relations now and what has this got to do with the Peace of Westphalia? <br />
Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss how the international order has changed - and the local order has not. <br />
Also, is AI investment now in a bubble? <br />
Listen Up! ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2026 20:07:00 +0200</pubDate>
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						<itunes:title>The year that started off with a bang</itunes:title>
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What happens to international relations now and what has this got to do with the Peace of Westphalia? 
Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss how the international order has changed - and the local order has not. 
Also, is AI investment now in a bubble? 
Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>Listen Up! end of year special: How was that for you?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the year 2025 - the ups, the downs, and the potholes. It was a bewildering year, which went faster than any previous year. <br />
Well … not really. But I felt like it did. <br />
In South Africa, things actually went a little bit better. In the rest of the world, things didn’t go as badly as many expected at the start. <br />
Will 2026 be different? <br />
The only way to find out is to Listen Up! ]]></description>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 18:18:00 +0200</pubDate>
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		<itunes:duration>22:30</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the year 2025 - the ups, the downs, and the potholes. It was a bewildering year, which went faster than any previous year. 
Well … not really. But I felt like it did. 
In South Africa, things actually went a little bit better. In the rest of the world, things didn’t go as badly as many expected at the start. 
Will 2026 be different? 
The only way to find out is to Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>Dubai. And the joys and dangers of ambition</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1626618</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[The joys and dangers of ambition. South Africans are drowning in debt, but is that because of bad investments or no investments? Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss whether or not South Africa should build a very tall skyscraper, and reach for the sky. Like Dubai. Or not. How is it possible that someone can just decide to build a huge city, just go ahead and do it, earn the scorn of millions, yet succeed? Yet, SA can't maintain the tall buildings it already has. Also, the 30% pass mark debate. Listen up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 15:47:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>Dubai. And the joys and dangers of ambition</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>21:09</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The joys and dangers of ambition. South Africans are drowning in debt, but is that because of bad investments or no investments? Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss whether or not South Africa should build a very tall skyscraper, and reach for the sky. Like Dubai. Or not. How is it possible that someone can just decide to build a huge city, just go ahead and do it, earn the scorn of millions, yet succeed? Yet, SA can't maintain the tall buildings it already has. Also, the 30% pass mark debate. Listen up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>How hard do South Africans work?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1624297</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1624297</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[International comparisons suggest that South Africans work pretty hard - around 42.2 hours a week on average. That’s higher than Brazil and Mexico, and only a little less than China. It’s about double the total hours put in per week on average in Norway. Amazing. <br />
But is that the whole story? <br />
Not so much says Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen. It’s like golf - the winner is not the one who does the most work but the least. This … and other bits and pieces of the news this past week. ListenUp! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2025 16:51:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>How hard do South Africans work?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>20:58</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[International comparisons suggest that South Africans work pretty hard - around 42.2 hours a week on average. That’s higher than Brazil and Mexico, and only a little less than China. It’s about double the total hours put in per week on average in Norway. Amazing. 
But is that the whole story? 
Not so much says Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen. It’s like golf - the winner is not the one who does the most work but the least. This … and other bits and pieces of the news this past week. ListenUp!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<ionofm:player_url><![CDATA[https://iframe.iono.fm/e/1624297?download=0]]></ionofm:player_url>
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	<item>
		<title>How do you say 'global consensus' with a straight face?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1621697</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1621697</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The G20 was simultaneously a grand success and a disappointing failure, and the key, according to Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen, is that there is an insufficient intersection of priorities and a lack of common purpose. <br />
Whose fault is that? What does it mean? Why is that happening now? These are all questions we discuss, along with the joys of public transportation and the surprising utility and value of art. Listen Up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2025 16:32:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>How do you say 'global consensus' with a straight face?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>18:54</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The G20 was simultaneously a grand success and a disappointing failure, and the key, according to Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen, is that there is an insufficient intersection of priorities and a lack of common purpose. 
Whose fault is that? What does it mean? Why is that happening now? These are all questions we discuss, along with the joys of public transportation and the surprising utility and value of art. Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>Are municipal managers underpaid?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1619090</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's been a great week for South Africa, not least on the sports field with international wins in soccer, rugby and cricket. <br />
And then there is the unexpected S&P ratings upgrade. <br />
And the JSE hitting yet another record. <br />
And Jo’burg looking spectacular for the G20! <br />
Actually, wait a bit; let's not get too carried away. Jo'burg's still a bit dodgy, except where the leader convoys will go, but things do feel different. <br />
The question now is how to maintain the momentum, and one crucial question is whether we are overpaying or underpaying our leaders, like municipal managers for example. <br />
Listen Up! to Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen on this and the rumours of spring. ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2025 17:05:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>Are municipal managers underpaid?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>21:05</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[It's been a great week for South Africa, not least on the sports field with international wins in soccer, rugby and cricket. 
And then there is the unexpected S&P ratings upgrade. 
And the JSE hitting yet another record. 
And Jo’burg looking spectacular for the G20! 
Actually, wait a bit; let's not get too carried away. Jo'burg's still a bit dodgy, except where the leader convoys will go, but things do feel different. 
The question now is how to maintain the momentum, and one crucial question is whether we are overpaying or underpaying our leaders, like municipal managers for example. 
Listen Up! to Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen on this and the rumours of spring.]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<ionofm:player_url><![CDATA[https://iframe.iono.fm/e/1619090?download=0]]></ionofm:player_url>
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		<title>What is the actual point of the G20?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1616709</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1616709</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[US president Donald Trump says no US officials will be attending the G20. <br />
Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen ask the crucial question: does that make the G20 in Johannesburg later this month a bit of a talk shop? <br />
Was it a talk shop in the first place? What actually is the point of the G20? And the rugby. Obvs. Listen Up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2025 18:28:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>What is the actual point of the G20?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>20:35</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[US president Donald Trump says no US officials will be attending the G20. 
Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen ask the crucial question: does that make the G20 in Johannesburg later this month a bit of a talk shop? 
Was it a talk shop in the first place? What actually is the point of the G20? And the rugby. Obvs. Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>Betting on sports and the stock market: you choose your poison, you take your chances</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1614273</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1614273</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[October was an extraordinary month for stock markets around the world. Every single major stock market around the world hit record highs last month, other than the Chinese CSI index which is still a long way off its pre-Covid highs. <br />
Spain’s IBEX finally surpassed its 2007 highs, and even the big European countries with the slowest growth, Germany and France, managed to join in the act. In response, South Africans have decided to take a punt - but not on the JSE, which is up almost 30% over the past year, but on online betting sites. <br />
South Africans bet over R1.5 trillion in the past year, a 45% increase over the previous year. There are dangers and joys, in both methods of potentially losing money. <br />
In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the season of having a punt. ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2025 20:17:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>Betting on sports and the stock market: you choose your poison, you take your chances</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>22:20</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[October was an extraordinary month for stock markets around the world. Every single major stock market around the world hit record highs last month, other than the Chinese CSI index which is still a long way off its pre-Covid highs. 
Spain’s IBEX finally surpassed its 2007 highs, and even the big European countries with the slowest growth, Germany and France, managed to join in the act. In response, South Africans have decided to take a punt - but not on the JSE, which is up almost 30% over the past year, but on online betting sites. 
South Africans bet over R1.5 trillion in the past year, a 45% increase over the previous year. There are dangers and joys, in both methods of potentially losing money. 
In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the season of having a punt.]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>What’s coming down the track? Changes in rail transport, greylisting and art theft</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1611803</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change is, as they say, the one constant. In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the efficacy of rail transport, South Africa’s departure from the Financial Action Task Force greylist, trade negotiations and, of course, art theft. Listen Up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 18:20:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>What’s coming down the track? Changes in rail transport, greylisting and art theft</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>20:24</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Change is, as they say, the one constant. In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the efficacy of rail transport, South Africa’s departure from the Financial Action Task Force greylist, trade negotiations and, of course, art theft. Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<title>What are the odds for keeping it sane and simple?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1609439</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[We live in an era of being overwhelmed and disorientated, so now more than ever there is a value in the distilled essence. <br />
In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the genius of simplicity in the midst of a discombobulated world. <br />
How do you achieve it in the face of societal and business pressures: excessive borrowing against the future, an emerging gambling addiction and a crisis in the police, just to name a few. <br />
Also, the greatest baseball game ever. ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2025 18:39:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>What are the odds for keeping it sane and simple?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>21:27</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[We live in an era of being overwhelmed and disorientated, so now more than ever there is a value in the distilled essence. 
In this podcast Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the genius of simplicity in the midst of a discombobulated world. 
How do you achieve it in the face of societal and business pressures: excessive borrowing against the future, an emerging gambling addiction and a crisis in the police, just to name a few. 
Also, the greatest baseball game ever.]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<ionofm:player_url><![CDATA[https://iframe.iono.fm/e/1609439?download=0]]></ionofm:player_url>
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		<title>Madlanga, Montana and the money</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1607014</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1607014</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[October is turning out to be a big month for enquiries into what happened to the money, with the continuing Madlanaga commission into allegedly corrupt police tenders, the spat between Lucky Montana and SARS, and the continuing Road Accident Fund hearing in Parliament. <br />
Mark Barnes and journalist Tim Cohen discuss why people do such odd things with their alleged ill-gotten gains - like buy three Lamborghinis. Why is one, or even three, never enough? <br />
There is lots to discuss here, please do Listen Up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:02:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>Madlanga, Montana and the money</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
				<itunes:image href="https://cdn.iono.fm/files/p3108/logo_9376_20250905_170803_1400.jpeg"/>
		<itunes:duration>21:31</itunes:duration>
		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[October is turning out to be a big month for enquiries into what happened to the money, with the continuing Madlanaga commission into allegedly corrupt police tenders, the spat between Lucky Montana and SARS, and the continuing Road Accident Fund hearing in Parliament. 
Mark Barnes and journalist Tim Cohen discuss why people do such odd things with their alleged ill-gotten gains - like buy three Lamborghinis. Why is one, or even three, never enough? 
There is lots to discuss here, please do Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
				<source url="https://rss.iono.fm/rss/chan/9376">Listen Up!</source>
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		<ionofm:player_url><![CDATA[https://iframe.iono.fm/e/1607014?download=0]]></ionofm:player_url>
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		<title>What are the prospects of the new united party, and the United Nations?</title>
		<link>https://iono.fm/e/1604619</link>
		<guid isPermaLink="true">https://iono.fm/e/1604619</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Everything is united - except it’s not! In this podcast, Mark Barnes and Tim Cohen discuss the prospects of Unite for Change, comprising GOOD, Rise Mzansi, and Build One SA, and wonder why they are uniting rather than being united. And on that subject, what are the prospects for the United Nations, and must it unite for change? And gold.<br />
<br />
Listen up! ]]></description>
					<category>News</category>
				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2025 19:35:00 +0200</pubDate>
				<podcast:season>0</podcast:season>
		<podcast:episode>0</podcast:episode>
						<itunes:title>What are the prospects of the new united party, and the United Nations?</itunes:title>
		<itunes:season>0</itunes:season>
		<itunes:episode>0</itunes:episode>
		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
					<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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		<itunes:duration>22:39</itunes:duration>
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		<title>Rugby and golf: The various lessons of sport</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was a big sporting weekend, but also a contrasting one. Rugby, well known for its calm, quiet, subdued supporters, who were out in force in Durban to see South Africa thrash Argentina 67-30 to top the table with Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu breaking a test points record. <br />
Contrast that with European 15-13 victory in the 2025 Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black in New York. Golf supporters were, as usual, flagrantly out of hand, dropping f-bombs, harassing players and wearing odd pants. <br />
But what do we learn from this? <br />
Mark Barnes and  Tim Cohen take the score. And then there is Johannesburg...<br />
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 18:56:00 +0200</pubDate>
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						<itunes:title>Rugby and golf: The various lessons of sport</itunes:title>
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		<itunes:author>Tim Cohen &amp; Mark Barnes</itunes:author>
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		<itunes:summary><![CDATA[It was a big sporting weekend, but also a contrasting one. Rugby, well known for its calm, quiet, subdued supporters, who were out in force in Durban to see South Africa thrash Argentina 67-30 to top the table with Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu breaking a test points record. 
Contrast that with European 15-13 victory in the 2025 Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black in New York. Golf supporters were, as usual, flagrantly out of hand, dropping f-bombs, harassing players and wearing odd pants. 
But what do we learn from this? 
Mark Barnes and  Tim Cohen take the score. And then there is Johannesburg...
Listen Up!]]></itunes:summary>
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